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Without Cena and Reigns?

Discussion in 'Monday Night RAW' started by Morton Downey Jr, Dec 5, 2018.

  1. Morton Downey Jr

    Morton Downey Jr Indie Wrestler

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    The smarks said that WWE would enter a new golden age. Yet, this week's RAW was one of the lowest rated in the show's history.

    Maybe the problem wasn't Cena or Reigns. Maybe it was over-saturation, the obsessive section of their fanbase, a weak talent pool and poor booking.
     
  2. Roadster

    Roadster Il Capitano Administrator

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    No one said that Reigns and Cena were the problem, they were apart of the problem, as are most of WWE’s roster, which is what you listed.
     
  3. Morton Downey Jr

    Morton Downey Jr Indie Wrestler

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    A lot of people said that Cena and Reigns were the problem.
     
  4. chrisburr

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    The main problem is the current RAW GM Baron Corbin

    I like him most times

    But as a RAW GM though, he has sucked badly!
     
  5. Swamps

    Swamps Indie Wrestler

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    Cena has been saying he wants to return as a heel, but backstage they frown upon that idea. Man just think of how fresh that would be if he did.
     
  6. chrisburr

    chrisburr Trainee

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    He should have turned heel when he beat the rock at mania for the title!

    Missed opportunity there...

    But since he is nearing the end of his wrestling career, I doubt it will happen.
     
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  7. Swamps

    Swamps Indie Wrestler

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    I concur with your statement. However, a man can still dream.
     
  8. Morton Downey Jr

    Morton Downey Jr Indie Wrestler

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    Cena as a heel would overshadow everyone.

    WWE needs a top heel. They haven't got one at the moment.
     
  9. Cortana

    Cortana Undisputed IWT World Champion Super Moderator The Four Horsemen

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    I would still welcome a Cena heel turn tbh
     
  10. Morton Downey Jr

    Morton Downey Jr Indie Wrestler

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    Cena turning heel would be the best thing in wrestling since Lesnar vs Goldberg.
     
  11. Doug Hamilton

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    I don't think the problem has ever been Cena or Reigns, or any one individual superstar for that matter. I believe that WWE's biggest issue in recent years has been the lack of creativity with their booking and too much emphasis on select performers over others.
     
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  12. Highspot

    Highspot Failure is not an option Administrator

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    Here is my feelings on it. You can't blame it one person the blame is everywhere. I think the WWE listens to much to its fans at times and should turn Cena heal. Stop having 5 hour promos in the beginning of the show and just wrestle. We don't want some soap opera as we want two people trying to kick the sh#t out of each other. Interview the the wrestler afterwards period.
     
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  13. Roadster

    Roadster Il Capitano Administrator

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    :adam:
     
  14. Morton Downey Jr

    Morton Downey Jr Indie Wrestler

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    Go whack off to your midget porn.
     
  15. Doug Hamilton

    Doug Hamilton Rookie

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    @Highspot, that's such a great point! The long and often predictable promo to start the show off really kills a lot of the buzz that the crowd has prior to the event. You can go to any WWE event in any city and the crowd is super hyped prior to the event with all kinds of crazy chants and complete joy by fans of all ages. However, the predictable promos that last far too long kill the pre-show momentum. I'm not against promos but they're too scripted and the length is always ridiculous, in my opinion.
     
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  16. Highspot

    Highspot Failure is not an option Administrator

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    My thoughts are you have to keep it as real as possible. Now, I agree they can do promos but make it to the point and personal. People love real drama or even made up ones. If I was a talent I would say offensive things on Twitter (nothing horrible) then tell wrestler X that if you say it again I will kick your ass and your family etc
     
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  17. Doug Hamilton

    Doug Hamilton Rookie

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    That's another great point and I agree. Honestly, I believe that too many people frown upon the use of social media but Twitter (if used correctly) can be used to further storylines in an effective and efficient way. I wholeheartedly believe that the issue with many promos is that they're drawn out, far too predictable, and don't often build up the story or any of the characters.
     
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  18. Jay-Niner

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    Creative is the issue! Reigns and Cena are victims of morons that can't put together creative storylines.
     
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  19. Morton Downey Jr

    Morton Downey Jr Indie Wrestler

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    Creative sucks. But you can't polish a turd.

    - Is it creative's fault that Kevin Owens is a fat slob?

    - Is it creative's fault that Rollins' has a terrible voice and face?

    - Is it creative's fault that Zayn looks like a taxi driver?

    - Is it creative's fault that Bryan looks like he smells of piss?
     
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  20. Doug Hamilton

    Doug Hamilton Rookie

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    @Morton Downey Jr, while I understand that you and Vinnie Mac prefer the bodybuilder type of superstars, people with those bodies have so many options available to them now so wrestling doesn't collect as many of them as it once did. However, you bring up a great point, creative may be part of the issue but having believable and larger than life figures to look up to is another part of wrestling's issue. Not just the WWE but the industry as a whole. You're right that the indy-style of performers only touches upon a small portion of a potential audience and thus, the types of performers for any company is definitely contributing to the larger problem that the professional wrestling industry is facing.
     
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