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Serious Minimum wage

Discussion in 'Personal, Serious, Interests & Debates' started by Juventudinho, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. Juventudinho

    Juventudinho Estou Pronto Administrator

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    What are your thoughts on the minimum wage?

    Some people think it should stay at around $7/hour but there's a lot of support for $15/hour.
     
  2. Highspot

    Highspot Failure is not an option Administrator

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    Depends on the industry. I see fast food workers wanting $15 dollars an hour but I guess the food prices will be up. (I don't eat that stuff so I don't care just saying) Also, inflation has made buying a house impossible. Here in New York in the five boroughs, most houses cost 800,000 dollars and up. Again, the salaries are the same but more responsibilities are huge. Life is tough!
     
  3. ¡Tranquilo!

    ¡Tranquilo! Section Moderator Section Moderator Donor

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    Definitely depends on the industry but I say generally speaking it should be $8-$9.50 minimum. I guess it also depends on the hours too. Like my last job was like ~40 hrs and we got paid every week so ideally I would've made about 1000 every month and that still would've been nothing if I were to get an apartment on my own. If someone with no college education is expecting to make anything more than the numbers I listed above they might as well go back to college and study something useful.
     
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  4. andie

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    It’s shit, and it’ll be shit no matter what cause the economy is ass.

    Even if you make $17 an hour and work 20-30hrs a week, you’ll make just over $1000 a month. And that sounds good, but if you try to rent by yourself the bills pile on and it’s hard to maintain a livable lifestyle. That’s a good paying job, and even then you should have at least one roommate if you want to have any expendable income at all.

    And then if you look at someone with a minimum wage job, it isn’t hard at all to fathom why they live with 3-4 other people, or still live at home.

    It’s all fucked, and the previous generation constantly wants to shit on the current one for being bums who can’t support themselves. But they’re the ones who fucked us in the first place.

    They’re are already states that enforce the $15 minimum wage line, but if you just looked into those places you’d see just how inflated everything else is. So yeah, none of it matters. Just hurry up and nuke us already smdh.
     
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  5. Juventudinho

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    The only way to make a living wage, while working a minimum wage job, is by biding your time and working your way up the totem pole, and trying not to starve while doing so, or going to college. However, colleges have unchecked power and even brands to protect. They will charge, and continuously charge high amounts for name-value education to which employers feel obligated to choose above lower-tier schools or community colleges.

    I'm not a socialist, however I do believe the government should provide the necessary tools to live a life of relative bourgeois. College is pushed and is pretty much necessary to live a sustainable life. However, barely anyone can pay for it. Students are indebted for the rest of their lives, and the consequences of trying to get a better life take away the fruits of their study-labor when they graduate.

    Minimum wage and inflation are pegged so it's virtually impossible to move somewhere that has a living wage because the local markets are inflated to shit. College education and increasingly high supply and tuition rates are pegged so it's virtually impossible to go to a good school and not be crushed under the debt. Healthcare and bankruptcy are pegged, so unless you're on medicaid - you're bound to try and mooch off your employee benefits or slowly die under the pressure of the bills.

    Minimum wage shouldn't be the concern. The concern is getting the necessities of modern life to a level where all can play on the same field. The common excuse that "taxes were mean't for protection via the military" is an excuse used by 18th century elitist to stop the peasants from complaining about disease-ridden water and a lack of a sewer system. Taxes mean much more, and should be applied to much more in our current system of increasing irresponsibility and reckless investment that crushes the next generation.
     
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  6. TNHBrah

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    It should be $15 nationwide.


    The real issue sits with the fact of wealth disparity. The rich have too much money while the middle class and poor earn less and less. This is sending the economy into an iceberg. Not enough money will circulate when the rich hoards it. That might be another discussion for another day though.
     
  7. Juventudinho

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    The issue with trickle down economics lies in that. People can't be relied on to spend their wealth, especially those that have enough to spend and still have large amounts left over that will be invested in off-shore shell companies to keep it protected and pegged to the economy.
     
  8. WrestleRacer91

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    Seeing that I've been a lead in a department store for almost 5 years and only make 11 dollars an hour...yeah minimum wage needs raised.
     
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  9. Adam

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    Speaking from a British aspect I think one of the biggest injustices facing young people is the age based Minimum wage. Somehow its legal, accepted and encouraged to pay 18-25 year olds less than their older peers regardless of the job you are doing. 18 Y/Os make less than 21-14 Y/Os and 21-24Y/Os make less than people older than 25 and we're not talking minor differences its a pretty significant gap.
     
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  10. Highspot

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    Also, in the US our health insurance is through the roof. I am self-employed but I pay 600 a month plus copays for seeing a doctor or going to a hospital. I wish we paid more taxes and had healthcare that covered everything. Btw, if you live in New York even 15 dollars an hour is nothing compared to the cost of living here. The price of goods go up (inflation) but your pay stays the same. It's a big reason why most of my friends have moved out of state. Lastly, college debt in the US is crazy I know people that have 100,000 dollar loans they are paying off. They will never be able to be debt free it's very sad.
     

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