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Serious Minimum wage

Discussion in 'Personal, Serious, Interests & Debates' started by Roadster, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. Roadster

    Roadster Il Capitano Administrator

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    What are your thoughts on the minimum wage?

    Some people think it should stay at around $7/hour but there's a lot of support for $15/hour.
     
  2. Highspot

    Highspot Failure is not an option Administrator

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    Depends on the industry. I see fast food workers wanting $15 dollars an hour but I guess the food prices will be up. (I don't eat that stuff so I don't care just saying) Also, inflation has made buying a house impossible. Here in New York in the five boroughs, most houses cost 800,000 dollars and up. Again, the salaries are the same but more responsibilities are huge. Life is tough!
     
  3. ¡Tranquilo!

    ¡Tranquilo! Indie Wrestler Donor

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    Definitely depends on the industry but I say generally speaking it should be $8-$9.50 minimum. I guess it also depends on the hours too. Like my last job was like ~40 hrs and we got paid every week so ideally I would've made about 1000 every month and that still would've been nothing if I were to get an apartment on my own. If someone with no college education is expecting to make anything more than the numbers I listed above they might as well go back to college and study something useful.
     
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  4. andie

    andie rockerboy Super Moderator D-Generation X

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    It’s shit, and it’ll be shit no matter what cause the economy is ass.

    Even if you make $17 an hour and work 20-30hrs a week, you’ll make just over $1000 a month. And that sounds good, but if you try to rent by yourself the bills pile on and it’s hard to maintain a livable lifestyle. That’s a good paying job, and even then you should have at least one roommate if you want to have any expendable income at all.

    And then if you look at someone with a minimum wage job, it isn’t hard at all to fathom why they live with 3-4 other people, or still live at home.

    It’s all fucked, and the previous generation constantly wants to shit on the current one for being bums who can’t support themselves. But they’re the ones who fucked us in the first place.

    They’re are already states that enforce the $15 minimum wage line, but if you just looked into those places you’d see just how inflated everything else is. So yeah, none of it matters. Just hurry up and nuke us already smdh.
     
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  5. Roadster

    Roadster Il Capitano Administrator

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    The only way to make a living wage, while working a minimum wage job, is by biding your time and working your way up the totem pole, and trying not to starve while doing so, or going to college. However, colleges have unchecked power and even brands to protect. They will charge, and continuously charge high amounts for name-value education to which employers feel obligated to choose above lower-tier schools or community colleges.

    I'm not a socialist, however I do believe the government should provide the necessary tools to live a life of relative bourgeois. College is pushed and is pretty much necessary to live a sustainable life. However, barely anyone can pay for it. Students are indebted for the rest of their lives, and the consequences of trying to get a better life take away the fruits of their study-labor when they graduate.

    Minimum wage and inflation are pegged so it's virtually impossible to move somewhere that has a living wage because the local markets are inflated to shit. College education and increasingly high supply and tuition rates are pegged so it's virtually impossible to go to a good school and not be crushed under the debt. Healthcare and bankruptcy are pegged, so unless you're on medicaid - you're bound to try and mooch off your employee benefits or slowly die under the pressure of the bills.

    Minimum wage shouldn't be the concern. The concern is getting the necessities of modern life to a level where all can play on the same field. The common excuse that "taxes were mean't for protection via the military" is an excuse used by 18th century elitist to stop the peasants from complaining about disease-ridden water and a lack of a sewer system. Taxes mean much more, and should be applied to much more in our current system of increasing irresponsibility and reckless investment that crushes the next generation.
     
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  6. TNHBrah

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    It should be $15 nationwide.


    The real issue sits with the fact of wealth disparity. The rich have too much money while the middle class and poor earn less and less. This is sending the economy into an iceberg. Not enough money will circulate when the rich hoards it. That might be another discussion for another day though.
     
  7. Roadster

    Roadster Il Capitano Administrator

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    The issue with trickle down economics lies in that. People can't be relied on to spend their wealth, especially those that have enough to spend and still have large amounts left over that will be invested in off-shore shell companies to keep it protected and pegged to the economy.
     
  8. WrestleRacer91

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    Seeing that I've been a lead in a department store for almost 5 years and only make 11 dollars an hour...yeah minimum wage needs raised.
     
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  9. Adam

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    Speaking from a British aspect I think one of the biggest injustices facing young people is the age based Minimum wage. Somehow its legal, accepted and encouraged to pay 18-25 year olds less than their older peers regardless of the job you are doing. 18 Y/Os make less than 21-14 Y/Os and 21-24Y/Os make less than people older than 25 and we're not talking minor differences its a pretty significant gap.
     
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  10. Highspot

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    Also, in the US our health insurance is through the roof. I am self-employed but I pay 600 a month plus copays for seeing a doctor or going to a hospital. I wish we paid more taxes and had healthcare that covered everything. Btw, if you live in New York even 15 dollars an hour is nothing compared to the cost of living here. The price of goods go up (inflation) but your pay stays the same. It's a big reason why most of my friends have moved out of state. Lastly, college debt in the US is crazy I know people that have 100,000 dollar loans they are paying off. They will never be able to be debt free it's very sad.
     
  11. Swamps

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    This is always an interesting debate. Nice to see everyone being civil in here, as well. My posts are going to mainly reflect what goes on in The U.S, most likely the State of Georgia. So what I say, may sound crazy to someone living in one of the states that have a much higher cost of living. Outside of the Metro Atlanta area, (and even some parts their are affordable) the cost of living isn't that bad. The area I live at in the Atlanta Area isn't that bad, but my damn property taxes keep increasing every year more than I would like them too.

    Well, I agree it should increase as the cost of living increases. That is a huge no brainer to me. Now, do I think you should get $15 just to flip burgers? No, not at all. That would be more than enough to live on down here, and to live comfortable to someone who doesn't have a large family, and that isn't the only source of income for the family. Would it be the same in California or New York? No, because the cost of living is higher in those states. So I would leave it up to the States to decide what they would require employers to pay the employees. Now, the State does offer programs and assistance to individuals who have trouble making ends meat. Parents have the option of acquiring WIC, which is a huge help. Especially when you are able to get Cereal, Milk, Eggs, Dry Beans, Juice, Fresh Fruit and Vegetables without coming out of your pocket. Some may qualify for SNAP Benefits, which will help out a lot too. Getting $300 in snap helps a lot when having to make a decision on whether or not to pay your light bill or buy groceries for your family. Now if you get $15 an hour down here, your single, and your rent is only $400 a month but you still can't break even or stay above. You may want to re-evaluate your financial decisions. Basic accounting should be taken by every kid in high school. When I was single, I made $11.50 an hour at my full time job working 50 hours a week. Didn't get paid overtime due to working in a small organization. You know, those pesky laws with their loop holes. And I made and extra $300 a month from my Military Drills. So I was able to stay above ground pretty easily. Now, married with three kids (fourth on the way), there is no way in hell I could have made that work. Even if I was a financial expert, the only way would be to probably move in with family.

    So short answer, yes it needs to be increased, but at the same time, I can see negative results being a possibility too. Lay-offs, inflation, etc.
     
  12. Roadster

    Roadster Il Capitano Administrator

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    I think the States should be given more power, not because I fear a bloated government but because of the point you just made.

    Here in Illinois, everything is expensive. Jobs pay alright, but the cost of everything sucks. Each county has their own special tax. Apartments, can range anywhere from $800-$1200, for the bare minimum. I would think a raise from the $8 minimum wage to around $11-15 would benefit the people in this state.

    But as you said, Georgia isn't as expensive if you don't account for Atlanta. Some states are financially healthy i.e California, and some are disasters i.e Illinois. Allowing the states to handle the debate will better ease the burden on those in the state and not basically make it another un-livable minimum wage when everyone is following the same code and the big corps raise their prices to match.
     
  13. Kent

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    Should be $20 an hour no one who works 40 hours a week should live below the poverty line
     
  14. Roadster

    Roadster Il Capitano Administrator

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    Wouldn't that increase prices, more than double what they are?
     
  15. Highspot

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    I signed a petition on Change.org as some paramedics are only getting 12 an hour. WTF, if you want something that pisses me of that is it. Also, the pay for Police depends on the borough. So, you can be in the Bronx and risk your life and make nothing compared to someone that is an officer in Long Island in a low crime area. Something has to be done or more people will just say fuck it and move down south. Again, living here in New York unless your making close to 80,000 a year your struggling. Sorry I am yapping away........
     

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