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JBL was underrated

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Morton Downey Jr, Mar 10, 2018.

  1. Morton Downey Jr

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    - Great on the mic.

    - Great heel.

    - Average wrestler, but okay brawler.

    JBL played the same character during his title reign that Rollins did during his title reign. JBL made it work. Rollins did not. The reason? JBL was much better on the mic and a better heel. It didn't matter than Rollins was a better worker. He just wasn't a good enough heel or entertaining enough.

    Styles, Owens, Zayn and others should watch tape on JBL. They could greatly improve their overall act by following his lead.
     
  2. Juventudinho

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    How is he underrated?

    He's one of the longest reigning WWE Champions ever, and held it when the roster included Booker T, Undertaker, and Kurt Angle. He defeated one of the most popular stars in the company, cleanly, in one of the most memorable feuds of the era.

    He held every title barring the World Heavyweight Championship, and elevated John Cena and Rey Mysterio to the top ranks.

    He's considered one of the best tag team wrestlers of all time, and is and will forever be remembered for it.

    He's a bonafide hall of famer who's managed to have the same longevity as guys like Kane and Undertaker. For the most part, he was apart of the company for 22 years barring the stints that he was more of an ambassador than an on-screen character.

    He probably won't make many peoples favorite of all time list, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a fruitful career. A
     
  3. Morton Downey Jr

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    Because a lot of people don't give him credit.

    The likes of Rollins and Bryan get a pass for their considerable weaknesses as performers. JBL does not.
     
  4. Juventudinho

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    I think people appreciate in-ring prowess moreso than other attributes. A wrestler can be shite on the mic, but get a pass because he's a great in-ring performer. Guys that are good on the mic, but mediocre in the ring tend to be rung out.
     
  5. Morton Downey Jr

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    Which is moronic.

    One of the biggest problems with current wrestling is that there's too much emphasis on in-ring work.
     
  6. Juventudinho

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    That's the way of the land, atm.

    WWE's focusing on athletics. It's better than kiddy gimmicks like the Matedores and Hornswoggle, I guess.
     
  7. Morton Downey Jr

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    Hogan wouldn't be considered a "great wrestler" by today's standards. Yet WWE can only dream to have someone as over as him today.

    A lot of today's maineventers would not have made the main roster 20 years ago. The times have not changed for the better.
     
  8. Juventudinho

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    It's clear that the Hogan-type wrestlers won't and don't work. WWE has had record profits under the current era, and it's produced some mighty fine matches. It's all good, in my book.

    Yeah, some of the wrestlers are blander than a white wall, but the overall product has become much more competitive.
     
  9. Morton Downey Jr

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    When you take everything into account, WWE is nowhere near as popular in key markets as it was 15-20 years ago.

    WWE would be in a lot of trouble if it wasn;t for TV money. WWE only got that amount of TV money off the back of the ratings they produced in the attitude era and in the mid-00's under Cena. Since 2010/2011, WWE's ratings have declined massively.
     
  10. Juventudinho

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    Wrestling's popularity as a whole has dropped.

    The only major surge in wrestling popularity happened in 2011-early 2012 when CM Punk was the new big thing. Even then, the majority of the new/returned fans from that eventually stopped watching again.
     
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    No.

    The Rock was the only one who improved ratings and buyrates in 2011 and 2012. Business actually went down when Punk was pushed on top. Punk's constant insider references turned people off.
     
  12. Juventudinho

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    What?

    CM Punk was the top seller in WWE from the summer of 2011 till the end of spring 2012. How was that a low point. lmfao
     
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    Huh? No it didn't.

    It got him and WWE so much publicity, even from news outlets who didn't even discuss wrestling whatsoever.
     
  14. Morton Downey Jr

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    No.

    It created a stir inside wrestling circles. The buyrates for Summerslam 2011 and the September PPV were down from the previous year. RAW's ratings were not anything special either.

    Punk did shift a lot of merchandise, but Cena still have him covered in that area. Kevin Eck worked with the company at the time. He said that Punk wasn't as over as his fanbase thought he was. The numbers were just not there overall.
     
  15. Juventudinho

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    Money in the Bank 2011 had, if I'm not mistaken, one of the highest non-big 4 PPV buyrates of the year

    Also, WWE made upwards of $15 Million in their third quarter of 2011, meanwhile making on the lower side of $13 Million in their third quarter of 2010.

    The numbers were there.
     
  16. Juventudinho

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    Money in the Bank 2011 had the biggest buy rate of any MITB PPV before and since.

    WWE also made upwards of $15 Million in their third quarter of 2011, meanwhile making on the lower side of $13 Million in their third quarter of 2010.

    There numbers were there.
     
  17. Morton Downey Jr

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    The June PPV headlined by Cena vs R Truth post similar gains compared to the previous year. The MITB 2011 buyrate was not that impressive.

    Also:

    "Pay-Per-View revenues were $15.8 million as compared to $13.6 million in the prior year quarter, reflecting the impact of buys associated with WrestleMania, a prior period event. There were 65,000 incremental buys for WrestleMania in the quarter, which has a higher retail price than our other events. Buys for the three comparable events in the current and prior year quarter, however, declined 4%, reflecting a 3% increase in domestic buys that was more than offset by a 14% decline in international buys."
     

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